> But you can’t have both the belief that you are an identity and nondual realization (which is completely impersonal).
In awakening, we have insight into the power and phenomenology of self-identification - that we are not what we have been conditioned to think we are, to identify with and as.
We realize that there are no words adequate to capture, describe, or pin down what or who we are. We are far more than words and meanings, stories or concept.
A caveat might be, that if we choose to continue living with other people, inhabiting identities is fundamental and necessary.
Before awakening, chop wood, carry water, participate as a "self" with the village.
After awakening, chop wood, carry water, participate as a "self" with the village.
Awakening changes the quality and skillfulness of our "selfing" that we need for relationship and community belongings and participation, and this may include some commitments and identifications to signal and prove consistency, reliability, and predictability to those we are in relationship and community with.
But for someone in the throes of awakening and insight, I can see the skillfulness of not mentioning this.🤷♂️
This is not true in my experience. It’s fully possible to “have your cake and eat it too.” It’s possible to fluidly drift among personal and transpersonal modes of being. All expressions of reality are fully and equally reality
"what you really want is for your self to awaken" Nondual Self experiences dual self through dreaming, sometimes at night but mostly during the day. Birth is an awakening into a dream that only ends upon death. Another awakening then occurs??
A "self that can't ever awaken" TRYING to awake: And this self wonders why there's suffering in that movement. Hilarious to see and agonizing until its seen.
I think Kat has a big box with all kinds of photos (possible and impossible ones). Every time she needs one, she shakes the box and takes the one that falls out. We don't have to worry 😂
David R Hawkins said this..."the ego has the notion that it will be there at your awakening"...and then laughed a great deal. He was saying exactly what you are saying Kat. Thank you as always.
Love your work, Kat
> But you can’t have both the belief that you are an identity and nondual realization (which is completely impersonal).
In awakening, we have insight into the power and phenomenology of self-identification - that we are not what we have been conditioned to think we are, to identify with and as.
We realize that there are no words adequate to capture, describe, or pin down what or who we are. We are far more than words and meanings, stories or concept.
A caveat might be, that if we choose to continue living with other people, inhabiting identities is fundamental and necessary.
Before awakening, chop wood, carry water, participate as a "self" with the village.
After awakening, chop wood, carry water, participate as a "self" with the village.
Awakening changes the quality and skillfulness of our "selfing" that we need for relationship and community belongings and participation, and this may include some commitments and identifications to signal and prove consistency, reliability, and predictability to those we are in relationship and community with.
But for someone in the throes of awakening and insight, I can see the skillfulness of not mentioning this.🤷♂️
This is not true in my experience. It’s fully possible to “have your cake and eat it too.” It’s possible to fluidly drift among personal and transpersonal modes of being. All expressions of reality are fully and equally reality
Both and... Without contradiction.
"what you really want is for your self to awaken" Nondual Self experiences dual self through dreaming, sometimes at night but mostly during the day. Birth is an awakening into a dream that only ends upon death. Another awakening then occurs??
A "self that can't ever awaken" TRYING to awake: And this self wonders why there's suffering in that movement. Hilarious to see and agonizing until its seen.
And the image?
I think Kat has a big box with all kinds of photos (possible and impossible ones). Every time she needs one, she shakes the box and takes the one that falls out. We don't have to worry 😂
Brilliant!
We are at the junction or are the portal 😀. Partical and wave at the same time without time, space and a self 🙏
Well expressed. The irony indeed!
David R Hawkins said this..."the ego has the notion that it will be there at your awakening"...and then laughed a great deal. He was saying exactly what you are saying Kat. Thank you as always.
Nature is one, but all brains are two-fold 😱